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Post by rinksgi on Mar 5, 2010 13:25:11 GMT -6
Anyone ever hatch eggs that were laid after worming the hen? I'm wondering if it matters?
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Post by Timbo on Mar 5, 2010 13:36:57 GMT -6
Thats a great question that I haven't thought about. What do yall think.
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verloncox
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Post by verloncox on Apr 19, 2010 8:49:17 GMT -6
Rinksgi, I have incubated for quite some time now and can hatch about anything. My problem eggs are the serama's and geese..................but anyways, that's a different story. I have actually done this in the past (before going ALMOST all organic) and I would recommend against it. What you end up with (or at least with my batch) was a lot of deformities (one or two toes, missing legs and etc.) and deaths at hatch time. It was like some of the chicks had strokes right when they got out of the shell. It was one of the primary reasons that I started taking a "natural" approach to raising chickens actually. Read the back of all of that "medication" that you are giving to those chickens. Its tons of talk about pregnant women eating the eggs and such. I eat my chickens and eggs so I am real leary of something that can abort a woman's baby from eating an egg. I never use medicated feed BUT I do individually medicate when needed and practice isolation.
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Post by rinksgi on Apr 19, 2010 13:53:43 GMT -6
Kind of scary! I'm glad I decided not to. What do you use to control parasites? Do you use DE? I normally do(I'm out right now) and it seems to help, but i don't think it is 100% effective.
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verloncox
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Post by verloncox on Apr 19, 2010 16:48:56 GMT -6
Rinksgi, I LOVE DE and when I buy it I get it in 50 pound bags. I also keep a very high acid content in the soil in all of my pens with the use of white and apple cider vinegar but I only spray it after I have cleaned the entire pen area with a mild solution of bleach water. I probably use DE a lot more then most because I put it directly on the birds and have learned that if you aren't careful it will dry out the skin. I also use some stuff called Poultry Protector (I think or else its Flock protector) and I spray that directly on the roost and birds also. I think that a lot of it is in HOW you use DE honestly. When I first got into it I was using it too sparingly and now I think that I may use it too much. I put it EVERYWHERE in the barn, especially in their favorite dusting area's, all over the hay, on the roost, in their feed and most importantly in any cracks that could be breeding sites for spiders and stuff. Basically when you put it in their dust baths area every time that they dust bathe they will put the stuff over everything in the barn just by taking a bath. I also sprinkle it on the birds backs. There are a few more tricks if you want me to go more into detail. I will tell you that I plant and grow Sercia (that's mispelled I know) lespedeza all around the barn and that stuff works pretty good too.
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Post by cks4me on Jun 9, 2010 12:21:32 GMT -6
I don't know if you guys know about this but according to the FDA if you ever use Wazine (piperzine) you should never use the eggs. It is really nasty stuff. I have never used it for the above reason but do use VermX which is a all natural wormer and will not hurt you birds and there is no egg withdrawl necessary.
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Post by gram on Jun 14, 2010 5:52:02 GMT -6
Not long ago, it was on the news that there was a new medication on the market for humans, in pill form, for head lice. It seems that sometimes this has become resistant in some cases. Guess what it was.......IVERMECTIN!! So my thoughts on this is that if it is given to humans, then eggs/chickens would be safe to eat with NO withdrawal times........JMHO
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Post by herb on Jun 14, 2010 8:35:13 GMT -6
Wazine has been used for years. I consider it safe. Well- they are the government so you can trust them right?
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8bells
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Post by 8bells on Jun 14, 2010 14:22:08 GMT -6
Wazine (piperazine) is ONLY effective against adult roundworms, and no other parasite. It is intended for use with young birds (not adults). You should wait at least 2 weeks before slaughtering the bird for consumption, and I would assume the same time for egg consumption. You should NOT hatch any eggs from hens treated with the product, as it produces dead/deformed/sick chicks. At $22 per gallon, I would suggest incinerating the hen a more practical solution.
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8bells
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Post by 8bells on Jun 18, 2010 14:43:42 GMT -6
Personally, I would be reluctant to put faith in any hatch that followed any chemical treatment. That being said, a completely organic based 'de-wormer' - Verm-X - is available. However, each 'organic' substance has its up side, and its down side. Even though Verm-X is purely natural, it contains slippery elm extract, which is prohibited for sale in many countries for human consumption because it is considered an abortifacient (may cause an abortion of a human embryo). Human physiology, obviously, is different than that of poultry, but it still causes me to wonder if even a "safe" de-wormer is "safe" when procreation is the ultimate goal.
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Post by rinksgi on Jun 19, 2010 20:37:52 GMT -6
Yikes, that's scary! I think I will stay away from that for sure.
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8bells
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Post by 8bells on Jun 20, 2010 0:10:06 GMT -6
Verm-X is quite safe - it is all natural. But I would not recommend it, or anything else prior to hatching. Looking @ Verm-X's ingredient list, you could probably add some to your next batch of soup.
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Post by cks4me on Jun 23, 2010 10:15:07 GMT -6
It is so much better to use natural stuff. I use VERMX and it is wonderful. I also keep DE spread around and occaisionally will add it to their feed. Look at the VERMX USA web site. They are good people too.
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8bells
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Post by 8bells on Jun 23, 2010 17:31:12 GMT -6
DE is also great in the garden. As fine as it seems to us, snails/slugs find it to be so abrasive to their tender skins, that they will not pass over it. Good to isolate your plants from those destructive critters!
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Post by cks4me on Jun 24, 2010 11:43:20 GMT -6
I didn't know that about snails thks!
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